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I'm searching for information on my morfar who emmigrated to central Illinois in 1891. His mother was named Else Parsson and father Nils Strömberg and he was from Skåne and I think from Osby. Anyone out there have any info? Thanks, in advance. | ||
Hi Sandie, On www.ddss.nu can you find Nils Strömberg married to Else Persdotter 1881-11-05 in Osby. This was Nils second marriage and Elses first. Nils had 3 children in his first marriaged, one son is named Johan Albin b. 1871-02-02. Else (Elsa) had one son born out of wedlock 1874-01-28 named Sven Johan. If this could be of interest for you go to www.ddss.nu choose "in English", good luck! regards, Håkan | ||
Hi Håkan: Thanks for your help on possibly locating my morfar! I am able to access the info on the marriage and read the Remarks but I can't find anything about the birth of Sven Johan, b. 1874-01-28 to Else Persdotter. I've looked in the birth records under Osby. Can you please tell me how you found his birth and if there is a way to find out the name of his father? I'm having a difficult time tracing Sven Johan because he came to America in 1891 so he isn't listed on Ellisislandrecords.com, I don't have an exact date, nor do I know the actual name he may have used to emmigrate, nor from where he emmigrated. His birthdate is 1874-01-28 according to his death certificate, so I'm extremely excited that you have found this information. Sincerely, Sandie Swanson | ||
To Håkan again: Hi again! I also can't find Brunkelstorp in my detailed Swedish Atlas. Was this the name of a street in Osby? Or a now extinct farm? Any idea? Thanks again, Sandie | ||
Brunkelstorp is a "by" (village, group of farms) 4.5 km W to WSW of Osby town. At my map from the 1860's there are five farms and a couple of crofts or side cottages. Jöran Johansson | ||
Hej Jöran, Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly. I've found Sibbarp, the farm where my morfarfarsfar may have worked. Brunkelstrop must be near or in Sibbarp. Tack så mycket, Sandie Swanson | ||
Brunkelstorp is one village and Sibbarp is another, not too distant. To find the information go to www.ddss.nu select In English select Databases (to the left) select Birth and baptism records select Osby in Select parish here: type 1874-01-28 (including the hyphens) in Date from Regards Mikael | ||
Search for Elsa Persdotter instead of Else, Elsa has the same address Brunkelstorp and you can compare the age of Elsa 1874 with that of Else in 1881. You can also search for Nils and Else’s child, Johan Albin born 1881, but you have to search for Elsa to find this child. A plausible explanation to this might be that the person who transfered the information from the original records misread Else as Elsa. Else/Elsa had also one child in 1879. Remeber that the information on ddss is secondhand information. There is an article on www.ddss.nu ”Till fader utlades” it’s under hjälpmedel and it’s in swedish, so yes there is a possibility to find the father. On this messageboard is there also a message by Carolyn Johnson Eccles under Tracing fathers of illegitimate children -- impossible? which could be of interest for you. If you search for Else with a father named Per you will find an Else b 1849-01-05 in Stoby (NE of Hässleholm), accourding to the marriage record was she born in 1849, it might be your Else. Continue to search for the marriagerecord of Else’s parents and you will find it. Regards, Håkan | ||
Hi Håkan: I've been busy searching as you suggested and have been very successful. I'm attempting to translate the article "Till fader utlades" and i've read the one in English which was helpful. I do believe the Else b 1849-01-05 in Stoby is the one I was looking for. I'm able to get the marriage records for the parents of Else (for Per Bengtsson and Maria Hansdotter in Stoby,) but I can't get any death on either, or birth records on either, nor can I find a death on Else or Elsa; so I guess I can't go any farther back on this particular site. But it sure has been fun up to this point. Thanks again for all your help! Now I have to figure out how to go forward w/children of Else. I also have to try & figure out the date as well as what name Sven Johan (my grandfather) might have used when he emmigrated to USA in 1891. Regards, Sandie Swanson | ||
Hi Mikael: I did as you suggested and have found some of what I was looking for. Any idea if there are other sites like ddss.nu for searching other regions of Sweden? Specifically, Älvsborg and Östergotland? Thanks, Sandie Swanson | ||
There might be, but I don't know of any. But there are a lot of other researchers for those areas, so I guess you've got a good chance of getting an answer if you send your questions. Regards Mikael | ||
Sandie! You can search within most parishes of the area of Linköping, Östergötland at http://www.ddb.umu.se/indiko/index_eng.html but this site requires a fee of 500 SEK for 3 months. Regards Mats Högberg | ||
Mikael & Mats - Thanks - I'll keep it in mind. Regards, Sandie | ||
To Sandie Here is some information about the Strömberg family, which I have found in the church records. Nils Strömberg b. 1836-05-31 in Sibbarp, to America 1882-04-04 1st wife Bengta Svensdotter b. 1829-08-16 in Glimåkra, d. in Osby nr 6 1880-12-26 Children: Nils Olof b. 1859-07-16, to America 1877-07-31 Thilda b. 1861-08-10, to America 1879-08-20 Sissa b. 1863-04-30, to America 1879-08-20 Svante b. 1865-11-29, to America 1884-04-07 Bengt b. 1869-05-25, to America 1882-04-04 Johan Albin b. 1871-02-02, d. in Ekeröd 1871-03-19 All children were born in Ekeröd, a village in the parish Osby. Glimåkra is a parish near Osby. 2nd wife: Elsa Persdotter b. 1849-12-23 in Brunkelstorp d. there 1891-12-12. Child: Johan Albin b. 1881-09-24 in Brunkelstorp The child was born before the wedding but in the "husförhörslängd" is noted, that Johan Albin was "deras" = Nils and Elsa's son. Before the marriage to Nils Strömberg, Elsa Persdotter had two sons Sven Johan and Olof. There are no notes in the records of their father but as grown-ups they are registered as following Sven Johan Strömberg b. 1874-01-28 in Brunkelstorp, to America 1892-02-25 Olof Persson b. 1879-03-08 in Brunkelstorp, to America 1895-04-27 This indicates that Nils Strömberg was the father of Sven Johan while Olof's father had the name Per. Sven Johan moved 1891-10-26 to Grantinge, Stoby and from that place he emigrated 1892. The parents of Elsa Persdotter were Per Persson b. 1820-03-31 and Anna Stina Danielsdotter b. 1822-04-23. They were married 1850-12-27 in Osby. According to a special note Per was the father of Elsa b. 1849. The son Johan Albin b. 1881 stayed in Sweden and lived in Hästveda, a parish near Osby. I am acquainted with his "sonson" Bertil Strömberg, Torpstigen 7, SE-28345 Osby, Sweden - He is your 2nd cousin ! - He has done some research about the Strömberg family and you are wellcome to write him a letter, if you want more information. Kindest regards, Käll | ||
To Sandie Maybe I was too quick by appointing Bertil Strömberg as your 2nd cousin. - First it is necessary to show that John Sigurd Strömberg and Sven Johan Strömberg are the same person. It would be nice to hear from you if you succed in that or not. Regards, Käll | ||
Hi Käll: I just received your 2 messages and am so excited!!!! It seems that everything falls into place, except I still don't have information on the date Sven Johan left Sweden for America. All I know is that my grandpa John said he came over in 1891, according to the US Census. But he listed his mother as Else Person and father as Nils Stromberg on his 1936 social security application, and on his marriage certificate in 1899. He gave his name as John Sigurd on his 1936 applicaation, and in USA it was fashionable to have a middle name. I know in Sweden the name popularly used was the middle name (Sven Johan-so Johan would be John in America). I can't imagine where he got the name Sigurd from. His birth date is definitely 1874-01-28 on all his documents (marriage, social security and death certificate)the same as Sven Johan. A notation was made that he was from Osby (I remember his accent and other Swedes making fun of his Skåne lilt). He died in 1948 when I was a small child but I remember him dearly. I also have a picture from Sweden that is probably from the 20's or early 30's of his brother. No date and no name but someone wrote Nilsson with a question mark on the back next to the words "John Stromberg's brother." This picture shows husband and wife and 5 kids - 3 girls and 1 young boy and a small child (maybe 15 months old) on the woman's lap. The kids ages look about 8 or 9, 5-6, 4 or 5, about 3 and the baby. The man looks a bit like my grandpa. I could scan the picture to you if you'd like. How else can I determine if this is the right match? It seems pretty certain to me. All the dates seem to match, I've been searching & searching and this is the only positive result. I know I was shocked to discover my other grandpa's real name was not the name he used in America. Here he went by Oscar Swanson. In Älvsborg he went by Klaes Oscar Mårtensson, but had listed his father as Sven on USA documents. How many other Johan's could there be in Osby with a mother named Elsa Persson and a father named Nils, born on 1874-01-28? What should I do next? I don't want to write Bertil until I know for certain. Does Bertil have any family? How old is he? I don't want him to get excited and maybe get sick! I anxiously await your reply. Cordially, Sandie Swanson | ||
Hello Käll and Sandie! Käll wrote "Sven Johan Strömberg b. 1874-01-28 in Brunkelstorp, to America 1892-02-25 Olof Persson b. 1879-03-08 in Brunkelstorp, to America 1895-04-27 This indicates that Nils Strömberg was the father of Sven Johan while Olof's father had the name Per." Please keep in mind that Sven Johan was born 6 years before the first wife of Nils Strömberg died. This makes it a little bit (but just a little bit, as men are men, and many times gladly would find themselves an extra woman) less probable that Nils Strömberg was the father, in spite of Sven Johan adopting the surname; he could have adopted it merely for being the surname of his stepfather. Käll also wrote that "Olof's father had the name Per." This could be true, but I (and many others) have found that a child of an unwed woman (and with no appointed father) often got his/her surname based on the name of the father of the mother (i.e., the surname the child got was the same it would have gotten being a brother or sister (by father) of its own mother), which could have been the case here. Sandie wrote: "I know in Sweden the name popularly used was the middle name". I, rather, have found (for men) that the order of the names is --in most cases-- depending on the length of the names, at least when you pronounce them. A name that is quicker to pronounce would come before a name that takes longer. (Normally this would also be both with less letters and less syllables.) In any case, it seems to have been very important that it had to "flow" when you read the names out loud. And this doesn't change the fact that --generally speaking-- the statement of Sandie also is true. (Some examples: My names are Per Mikael - I use Mikael; my brother's are Stig Jonas - he uses Jonas; my father's are Per Stig - he uses Stig; my grandfather's where Erik Alfred - he used Erik; my uncle's are Erik Tore - he uses Tore. In the last case, you wouldn't put Tore Erik, although the length, number of syllables and ease of pronunciation of each name by itself would permit it. It wouldn't flow; it would sound more like Tor-Erik than Tore Erik.) Some explanations that I hope have been enlightening. Regards Mikael | ||
Hi Mikael: Yes, your arguments definitely make much sense. However, the fact is that Else or Elsa is still the mother of both Sven Johan and Johan Albin (the second Johan Albin), so at least they would be half brothers. I think that means something. I would be curious to know how I could find out what surname Sven Johan went by in Sweden, like his confirmation records, for instance while he was still only 13 or 14. If he was confirmed using the name Strömberg before Nils left for America 1882-04-04, this might indicate Nils acknowledged him as his true son. There also may be some oral history in the family left in Sweden. I also wonder about the propriety of my grandfather claiming his father was indeed Nils Strömberg on his marriage certificate, his children's birth certificates, and his social security application. Did people in those days make such assertions when in fact, they either didn't know who their father was, or knew it was someone else? I suspect Else told Sven Johan the truth - and they were fooling around for all those years, with a little extra event on the part of Else with her son Olaf. !!! Maybe Else and Nils were fighting then, or maybe Nils was gone for awhile. Sure is fascinating to imagine. But I would like to know the facts. Is this possible, do you think? | ||
Hi Sandie, Apart from what you're suggesting as steps in your research, it also could be useful to see if Sven Johan is mentioned as "deras" (=their) son after Elsa and Nils got married, like his brother Johan Albin. (If you haven't noticed: Johan Albin must have been conceived almost on the very same day Nils Strömberg's first wife died! Seems to have been very callous, this Nils!) You'd find that in the "husförhörslängd" (which, if you don't know it, is a record the church kept on the people living on the different farms and cottages, and how well they knew their Bible and catechism; it's a long list ("längd") of exams or interrogations ("förhör") that were held in their houses ("hus")). The "risk" you face in identifying John Sigurds father, is that it was "bad" socially being born outside of wedlock, and many who were in this situation took the first opportunity to slip out of this fold. If they also at the same time could get a surname that wasn't one of those common "-son"-names, so much the better. And Sven Johan could, to a certain point, properly claim that Nils Strömberg was his father, since it was Nils that had brought him up (or maybe he didn't?; see next paragraph). Maybe you also could look up where Nils Strömberg and all his children from the first marriage went in USA. When did Nils Strömberg come back? Or didn't he come back? When did Elsa Persdotter come back? Or she never went? ('Cause either they were newly wed when Nils Strömberg went, or he did come back and they married then.) (--Based on Käll's information) Mind you, I'm not saying that Nils Strömberg wasn't the father of Sven Johan; I'm only saying that you need to check this out, and prove it or at least get to this conclusion "beyond reasonable doubt". It could also be that Olof was the son of Nils Strömberg, only that it never became official, and he got his surname the way I mentioned before. Or the father was really a Per Something. Or --to be somewhat crude-- maybe Elsa didn't know who was the father, and didn't want to mention anyone specific. Who knows? (I have a similar problem with an unknown father to my grandma. She thought that her younger brother was her full brother, and his father's name is stated when he got born. So "all" I have to do is to identify this man (if he wasn't only an invention to make it look a little better...), find a photo of him and compare with the photo I have of him, together with my grandma's mother. Or maybe find some children or grandchildren of his, and compare their blood type with the one of my grandma, or...) I don't have much material from Osby this late (1880's), but if you get a little further back --and still have your ancestry there in Osby-- I can almost promise you at least 10 generations on all the branches. Regards Mikael PS. Checking the death records in www.ddss.nu, I have to correct one point in what Käll mentioned. Elsa died in Ignaberga, as stated n the record: "Afled i Ignaberg och begrofs derstädes enl. attest fr. Pastorsemb. af d. 21/12 91" ("Died in Ignaberga and was buried there according to certificate from the Parish office of the 21 of dec 1891") | ||
Hi Mikael: and Käll as well: yes, I did notice the interesting birth date of Johan Albin. Perhaps the first wife Bengta had been ailing for a VERY long time - or Nils was a real playboy or Elsa and Nils had an illicit passion for many years ??? But then why would he up and leave shortly after their marriage? Maybe he planned to make money and return. Maybe he did return. Where did he go in America? I can only access records on line thru EllisIslandrecords from 1892 on and he came in 1882. I can't check any of the children of Bengta on line either except for Olof Persson or Stromberg - which I did check and I found 2 in 1895, but only 1 is 16 (the other is 22 and arrived in NYC on 1895-5-4) and the 16 year old sailed out of Copenhagen City and arrived in New York 1895-5-17. Käll says Olof left 1895-5-27. Of course, records could be wrong.And he could have used a different name. Unfortunately there is no other information as to where Olof was from in Sweden or where he was going on these records. If I can't get further information from Sweden, then I shall proceed to start the very tedious and lengthy process of requesting films from the archives of LDS (Latter Day Saints) and sit & view each film of different ships arriving in America for the dates given (they are not indexed very well during this period of time I understand). I will have to do this with first Sven Johan, then Olof, and then Nils, and then each of the other siblings. I also checked for Strömberg in 1892 and found only 2 possibilities - 2 John's - neither of which give any detailed info, nor are they the appropriate age. I shall continue scanning the records. Perhaps Käll has some information as to the destination of each of those persons. Also, do you know the average time of the travel from leaving Sweden to arriving in America? I thought it was about 3 weeks. I checked the death of Elsa in Ignaberg and found her and confirmed that she is indeed the same person at least based on her birth date and name of Elsa Persdotter Strömberg. Thanks for this info. My daughter is returning to Sweden (Stockholm) where she is currently living and working. I'm hoping she will have some time to go to Arlinde and search the "husförhörslängd" for "deras" relating to Sven Johan, and anything else she can come up with. Would it be better for her to try to go to Lund one day? She will also check to try and figure out where everyone emmigrated to in USA. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could just send a strand of our hair to a research facility, and they could track exactly what we're looking for? Inexpensively. Matching ancestors as well as descendants? DNA is still so difficult and expensive, at least in the USA, but I hear there is some place, maybe in Britain, where one can seek one's mitochondrial roots! Which earth mother did one come from. Love it!!! Wasn't it in a Camus story, either The Stranger or The Plague, where the man has a sexual encounter the day of his mother's funeral and experiences incredible guilt? The Nils/Elsa/Bengta story reminds me of that story. Given the mores of those times, the various events must have caused a lot of pain to a lot of people. Regards, Sandie (overwhelmed) Swanson PS: what is the "Lösenord" for on this page? Does it mean password? and why would it be entered? I never have. ????? | ||
To Sandie I didn't write "This proves that Nils Strömberg ....." or something similar. I used the verb "indicate" - in Swedish "indikera = antyda" - in order to express the uncertainty about the paternity. Obviously I have not been enough careful with my choice of word. Sorry. ------------- Bertil Strömberg is 60 years old and has a family. I have contacted him and he shall talk to his relatives in Sweden about the picture you mentioned - letters from America and so on. We will write to you again next week. Regards Käll | ||
To Käll: Regarding the picture I have of my grandpa John's brother and family in Sweden. I have no real idea as to the date of the picture - it is faded - and it may be even around 1910. I hope this helps. thanks again for your help with all this. I didn't take you to mean that anything "proves" anything --- I'm just very hopeful. All indications are pointing in the direction of kin. Regards, Sandie | ||
Hi Sandie, The place in Stockholm where the archives are is called "Arninge" (to avoid mixing it up with "Arlanda", which is the airport!). As I understand it, they have all the records there, so I think it would be an unnecessary waste of money going to Lund. Yes "Lösenord" means "Password". If you have a user account, then you can put your password in that field. With a user account you pay a small amount to help running this site, and you get the right and possibility to update your user information. You can also use a nickname as username. (I hope I got this explanation accurate) Regards, Mikael | ||
Hi Mikael: Great - thanks for the explanation. Now, I have another question. I'm still trying to determine this John Stromberg kinship and I just spoke w/the church records person in the small town where my grandparents lived and raised their family. The information they have, the ONLY information they have on John, is, that he was born 1874-1-28 and was from Onsby Krist and came to America in 1891. And, at this American church he used the name John Sigurd Stromberg. So, my question to you is - In 1874 was there a different parish or town or area or something, called Onsby Krist? Or could this be another way of saying Osby? Or could the pastor of the church have written it as it sounded or misspelled it? I'm certain John was not good at spelling and Ida(John's wife) couldn't read or write English. My old family history notes said he was from Osby. ????? I'm really puzzled now as to how to find his true identity. The discrepancy that exists at this point is the arrival date in USA. He told the 1900 and 1910 Census people he came in 1891. (could he be referring to when he left Osby, not Sweden?) The thought of scanning an entire 2 years (1891 and 1892) of ships manifest lists is frightening. I'm not even certain what name he might have used. Hopefully Käll will come up with some leads that I can follow with either process of elimination or confirmation. Another glitch in the puzzle is Elsa(e?) Persdotter. There are 2 as you may have noticed. One is born 1849-01-05 in Stoby (on marriage record she was born in 1849) and the other was born 1849-12-23. I have found the death record for Elsa b. 1849-12-23 and she is listed as Else Persdotter Strömberg w.address of Ousby förs. and in Ignaberga parish on 1891-12-12. No relatives shown. Certificate was sent to Ousby on Dec. 21. Can I be safe in assuming this is THE Elsa, mother of Sven Johan? I'm so happy to know you have material on Osby 10 generations back on the earlier dates. I hope I can reach that point to make use of it. Thanks for offering. Regards, Sandie | ||
To Mikael: Whoops! That was YOU that pointed out the proper Elsa. Thank you! Ciao, Sandie | ||
Hi Sandie, I would think that they got his parish and county from some note on a paper. Earlier Osby was spelled Ousby, and the way they wrote, you could mistake the 'u' for an 'n'. 'Krist' must be the shortened form of 'Kristianstad län'. I'd say it's the correct parish. The combination 'Elsa Persdotter' is not very rare. I have 14 different persons by that name in my collection of about 13000 people in and around Osby parish, with birth years 1652-1877. (One even was born 1849, in Gunänga, Osby.) But as Käll showed, the Elsa born in Brunkelstorp is the mother of Sven Johan. The thing is to connect 'Sven Johan' with 'John Sigurd'. Sigurd is not a very common name, and especially not in southern Sweden. So why did he chose that (if it wasn't his real name and we're all lost)? Evaluating what we've got so far regarding John Sigurd = Sven Johan: -Not exact name match +John = Johan, and Sigurd starts with an S, like Sven +Exact birth date +Correct parish +Same surname as his (step?)father -Oral (?) information (written down) in USA says he came in 1891, while Sven Johan left in 1892 My personal guess is that it's the corrrect match. The next problem is to determine whether Nils Strömberg was his real father or not (and if not, who was it?). And this can be a bit tough. At that time --and already more than 100 years earlier-- it wasn't illegal any longer to give birth without being married. Rather, it was illegal to treat the mother or the child differently. So if the mother wasn't trying to get some economical help from the father by means of taking him to court, there is not much hope of any official records showing who the real father was. Of course, you always have the cases where the biological father assumed his responsibility and it was common knowledge and hence mentioned in the church records. Regards, Mikael | ||
Hi Mikael: Thanks for your evaluation. Hopefully Käll will have something to add to this. Maybe there is an old church bible somewhere - If all else fails, I shall ask my daughter to go thru the church books for anything she can find. When I was last in Sweden we visited the parish my farmor went to, and there was a lot of information written on different family members, all the way back to the early 1700's, depending on who was writing. Maybe I'll be lucky. Were all these records filmed or microfiched, or just the important dates? Because if only important dates are filmed, it would be necesarry to go to the parish church, right? Regards, Sandie | ||
Hi Sandie, As far as I know, only the normal parish archives were microfilmed (birth, marriage, death, economical accounts, protocols from parish meetings, bishop visitations, and some other more or less official documents), but I'm not certain. Regards, Mikael | ||
The information about Elsa Persdotter in my message June 8th is correct besides the place, where she died. Unfortunately I didn't check against the ddss-register. Sorry about that. Elsa either died in Ignaberga at a temporary visit or she actually had moved out from Osby but neglected the report to the parish office. In the year 1891 she still was registered in Brunkelstorp according to the "husförhörslängd" of Osby. She was called "wife" (not widow). In a note is written "Her husband former "dragon" Nils Strömberg is living in N. America since 82-04-04". (dragon = soldier in the Swedish cavalry). In the "husförhörslängd" 1886-1890 are noted: Wife Elsa Persdotter her illegitimate son Sven Johan her illegitimate son Olof their son Johan Albin which means that the above text was noted 1886, when the "längd" started. Later during the period are added Strömberg to Sven Johan and Persson to Olof (another handwriting). Sven Johan was confirmed 1889. Confirmation records are filed at the parish office in Osby but the specification just that year is missing. Bad luck. -- 1890-03-24 he got certificate of moving out to Denmark. At that time he was named Sven Johan Strömberg (the certificate wasn't used but returned to the parsih office). During that period (1886-1890) Olof was - for some reason - admited at "Råby Räddningsinstitut". (An institution which was a combination of school and prison for young people). He was confirmed 1895-04-19 in Stora Råby, where he also recieved his first Communion 1895-04-21. Then he was a free man and 1895-04-27 he got certificate of moving out from Osby to N. Amerika. -- The documents of "Räddningsinstitutet" are filed in Lund. Next time (in July) when I visit the "Landsarkiv", I will try to find Olof's record for you. Maybe the name of his father is mentioned there. In connection with this I want to give you some supplementary details about the parents of Elsa Persdotter: Per Persson b. 1820-03-21 in Brunkelstorp d. 1884-05-03 in Brunkelstorp Anna Stina Danielsdotter b. 1822-04-23 in Göteryd d. 1889-11-05 in Brunkelstorp (Göteryd is a parish in Småland. Anna Stina arrived 1848 to Osby) The parents of Per Persson b. 1820-03-21 were: Per Andersson Berggren b. 1784-12-16 in Knislinge d. 1858-03-02 in Brunkelstorp Pernilla Nilsdotter b.1786-05-18 in Färlöv d. 1852-11-01 in Brunkelstorp (Knislinge and Färlöv are parishes in Skåne. Per A. B. and Pernilla arrived 1809 to Osby. Regards, Käll | ||
Hi Käll: I've added the information you've provided. I wonder what Olof did to end up in a penal/school institution. Interesting. When I did a search on this database, I found only one birth on 1820-03-31 for a Per with a father named Per in Osby parish - and the birth was in Gryt Parish, father Per Persson and mother Maria Jönsdotter. THe one you found makes more sense since they are found in Brunkelstorp, but I'm curious how you found it? Have you spoken with Bertil yet? I'm so anxious to hear if there is any family history to connect Sven Johan to John Sigurd. So many facts point to them being the same. The same birth date on all records in USA, same mother's name, (adopted) father's name, and place of birth. I'm in the process of checking the ship records arriving in America to see if there is any other clues. But I feel strongly that Sven Johan is at least a 1/2 brother to Johan Albin. I could send you or he a copy of the picture of the family in Sweden, if that would help. Cordially, Sandie |
